Jeremy Vine Show Tuesday 13th February

[Helen May]

Morning all

Topics for today will be :-

Bernard Matthews resumes business. Is it too soon, or should we be backing him?

Naps - see poll at http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/shows/vine/

Hysterectomy

Rageh Omar talking about ordinary life in Iran

Don't forget your valentines for tomorrow folks!

[Squeamous]

We should be backing BM in giving his turkeys proper living conditions and refusing to buy his mechanically recovered, jet blown, reconstituted protein product until he does.

[Rabid]

Sod that, I just want cheap turkey for Easter and Christmas.

[Squeamous]

Maybe if you ask nicely he'll press the shards of water-filled compressed protein into something approximating the shape of a Turkey for you Rabid. 'It looks like a turkey, but it's made entirely out of turkey's arses! Bootiful!'

[Rabid]

Oh, the arses are OK Squeams, as long as they don't use that wobbly bit under the chin. I'm fairly sure they go into Golden Drummers.

[Squeamous]

:lol:

[Squeamous]

Look what I found: the official picture of Bernard Matthews Turkeys given along with an article about the factory:

http://i5.tinypic.com/2czbio5.jpg

And the one given by Compassion in World Farming:

http://i18.tinypic.com/2yw91ed.jpg

[Squeamous]

Look, they got rid of all the uneccessary parts of a turkey (including the wobbly bit under the chin). Well, wouldn't want all that expensive feed going anywhere but the breasts and thighs would we? I'm surprised they haven't engineered them to be blind and wingless to cut the cost of a packet of this crap by 0.5 pee.

[Rabid]

Squeams, I'm surprised you feel so passionate about the welfare of my Xmas turkey when you spend your days squirting shampoo into rabbits' eyes and force beagles to smoke.

[Squeamous]

Well, honestly. At least I eat them afterwards!

[Helen May]

We should be backing BM in giving his turkeys proper living conditions and refusing to buy his mechanically recovered, jet blown, reconstituted protein product until he does.

I saw David Milliband on Newsnight getting a grilling from Paxo last night. I'm afraid I think it's too soon to get back to business as usual as they don't yet know how it all started.

Milliband's bleating on that no EU rules had been broken so it was alright to continue to import meat is just madness. It's time to think about what is best for the UK, not for Europe.

H

[Rabid]

I know that, that's why I don't berate you for your practices.

[Squeamous]

We should be backing BM in giving his turkeys proper living conditions and refusing to buy his mechanically recovered, jet blown, reconstituted protein product until he does.

I saw David Milliband on Newsnight getting a grilling from Paxo last night. I'm afraid I think it's too soon to get back to business as usual as they don't yet know how it all started.

Milliband's bleating on that no EU rules had been broken so it was alright to continue to import meat is just madness. It's time to think about what is best for the UK, not for Europe.

H

We seem to be the only ones that adhere to EU rules regarding food :evil:

[Squeamous]

I know that, that's why I don't berate you for your practices.

Waste not want not......

[Rabid]

mmmmm, pot roast beagle.

I bet Bernard Matthews eats golden Drummers and Turkey Twizzlers on alternate days.

Not.

[Rabid]

First the prostitutes, then the turkeys.

Not much chance of a gobble in Suffolk these days, is there?

[Helen May]

We should be backing BM in giving his turkeys proper living conditions and refusing to buy his mechanically recovered, jet blown, reconstituted protein product until he does.

I saw David Milliband on Newsnight getting a grilling from Paxo last night. I'm afraid I think it's too soon to get back to business as usual as they don't yet know how it all started.

Milliband's bleating on that no EU rules had been broken so it was alright to continue to import meat is just madness. It's time to think about what is best for the UK, not for Europe.

H

We seem to be the only ones that adhere to EU rules regarding food :evil:


Yes we do in most cases. I was referring to the report (Sunday I think) that said they continued to allow the import of turkeys from Hungary several days after the outbreak of bird flew at BM's factory. Miliband said it was okay because it broke no EU rule.

How about the UK having a rule? At the end of the day (sorry!) it's our country that would have suffered if it had spread, not the rest of Europe.

H

[Deckerd]

I say long may it run. The more turkeys are affected the more likely the company will be to be forced to change its disgusting practices.

[Rabid]

If the great unwashed stopped buying twizzlers and drummers, the factory would shut within the month.

[grieversoul]

I have never, and will never eat a twizzler or drummer or any other chopped up, minced up so called turkey carp.

YUK.

[Rabid]

No, me neither.

I won't let Mrs R feed them to the kids either.

You know, she actually believes it when they write "100% chicken breast" on the box.

Only one thing is 100% chicken breast, and that is a chicken breast.

Sorry, two things. Kate Moss.

[grieversoul]

When Luke was little and liked chicken nuggets, I always made my own.

Fresh chicken breasts, egg and breadcrumbs. Simple.

[Delboy]

Is there anyone here who has actually eaten any of Bernies cr@p? Who actually sells it? I have never seen it in the places that we shop, but then we avoid stores such as Tesco etc. like the plague.

[Squeamous]

Yes we do in most cases. I was referring to the report (Sunday I think) that said they continued to allow the import of turkeys from Hungary several days after the outbreak of bird flew at BM's factory. Miliband said it was okay because it broke no EU rule.


H

I read that too Helen, but I was wondering how BM was to have known that Hungary was the source of the contamination? Unless you're suggesting all movement in and out should have been stopped as a precaution?

[Rabid]

Squeams

I think H meant the outbreak of bird flu at one of BM's factories in Hungary.

I wonder why he doesn't have his factories in Turkey....?

[Squeamous]

No R, I think she means the import of turkeys from his factory in Hungary to his factory here continued despite the outbreak here. And despite the fact that there had been an outbreak of bird flu a couple of hundred miles away from the Hungary factory in Hungary itself a few months ago.

I think :roll:

I think it's way too much to expect BM to link a series of events together and act accordingly ;).

[Rabid]

Well, as far as I'm aware the scandal has been that turkeys were brought in after the known outbreak in Hungary.

There is NO evidence that imported poultry contaminated anything at Holton, nor of cross contamination within Holton.

Thankfully, the "cruel" and "disgusting" conditions these birds are kept in actually prevented inter-shed contamination.

That's my take on it.

[Squeamous]

Well, the suggestion is that it was brought from Hungary. Apparently the strain of the virus is identical to the one in the Hungarian outbreak. They reckon it could have come in on filthy pallets.

[Feverfew]

I'm with Squeams. They should stop keeping birds in such appalling conditions.

No good comes from it, and we can expect to continue to have food scares regularly until this abominable practice is stopped.

[Rabid]

In defence of Bernard Matthews Inc, he experimented with central heating (the turkeys sweated and their selling weight dropped), air conditioning (the turkeys got Legionnaire's disease) and inside tiolets (the turkeys refused to learn how to use them).

The turkeys' shop steward got the best deal possible.

[Helen May]

Yes I think it was one of his factories or farms. The report I heard said ( I think) that turkeys had still been allowed to be imported even though they had come from an area in Hungary where there had been an outbreak of H5N1 about a month ago. I would have thought it would have been a good idea to halt them. It sounds to me as if that is where our outbreak has probably originated.

Miliband's argument was that it we would have broken EU rules by banning imports. In this case I would have said sorry mate (well not really!) but we have to live with the consequences not you!

H

[Rabid]

Would these be the same rules against banning imports that the French dutifully complied with in the aftermath of BSE?

[Helen May]

Exactly! It would seem we are not prepared to stand up to the bullies of Europe....

H